In March 2004, Chuck metMr. Art Campbell, who had travelled from his home in Oregon to be a presenter at the Aztec (New Mexico) UFO Symposium. Chuck attended the Symposium and heard Mr. Campbell speak of retrieving artifacts from the 1947 UFO crash site on the Plains of San Augustin in New Mexico. Mr. Campbell, with Chuck and Nancy Wade, Chuck's brother Bobby Wade, and four workers had a successful "dig" at this crash site. Chuck refers to the site as the Barney Barnett site, after a soil conservationist who told friends of seeing the crashed saucer.